Join Nigel Thurlow, a leading voice in systems and complexity thinking and the former Chief of Agile at Toyota, as he hosts what is likely to be a hot debate between two leading thinkers in this space. Dave Snowden the preeminent expert in complexity thinking, and Diana Montalion who comes from a systems architecture background and applies systems thinking to manage in complex environments. Will they agree or will we find issues with conflation of terminology and science? Will they be closer together than we think? Are we confusing systems thinking and linear causality with true complex systems which are irreducible and cannot be root caused? Will it be more Ackoff or icebergs and mindsets? Take your seat early for this one!